Now, please look at your post, its acomplete defensive manuver.



Its not about me or how I keep snakes, not now or at anytime.



Its about the snakes you have and making judgements on their natural behavior, when they are in a tiny box.



Its very easy to understand that if you take any animal and keep taking away space, that animal will lose more behavior the more you take away. Pits get big, and do move over a larger area then pyros. So they are effected more when confined.



All I am saying to you is, those animals are doing those behaviors, not because they are different species, but instead because different species have different limitations on how much they can be confined before they Lose natural behaviors.



Plain and simple, pyros do not crap in the crack they shelter in. Bullsnakes also do not crap in their permanet shelters, that is a product of captivity and being stuck in a box that they cannot even get one body lenght away from any area. In that case, what difference does it make where they crap.



With any captive reptile, you have to give them the ability to actually make a choice before you can judge that they make choices.



Its pretty simple, If you cannot leave your toilet, then your living in your toilet. That you the person that locks them in the toilet wants to call it something else, well thats your problem, not theirs.



All you want to do is defend yourself, and then attack me. Its not about me, its not about you. Its about the animals. It does not take a genius to understand, if an animal cannot leave its own footprint, you cannot expect to see "other" behaviors.



This is not a contest between you and I, its about your snakes in a tiny box.



Its not even that you HAVE to keep them any other way. Please, just do not rationalize that that TINY FROGGIN BOX is normal to them and expect them to behavior normally in there.



The truth is, WE are not nice guys for stuffing wild animals in a tiny box. Its not against the law, so have at it. But please look at the animal and think about it, and not your own needs.



Its actually appaulling for you to think its normal for a Gophersnake to crap in its shelter or nestbox, when it cannot escapet that.











The last picture is our home, I live between those two hills. As do the above gophers, in fact, that whole area is home to thousands of gophersnakes. And all manner of morphs. Last year, we found an albino on the road, and we found stripers and other morphs too. They do well out there, big cage hey.



Their behavior is to exsist in that home, not your box. how much you take away, is totally up to you. But please, don't judge them based on Your friggin four foot screen cage. Please judge them and their beauty based on what they actually do, live in their HOME. Thanks

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