Also, you use laying eggs as an example. like its a goal a lofty reach to achieve that.



No offense, but anything less then that is a total failure. The quality of reproduction and the impact on the female are what can be measured to determine good or better husbandry.



The problem is, we come at them from our point of view which is, man I hope they will breed and lay eggs, so when they do, we think, we have achieved our goals. Which is true, we achieved our goals.



how we tend to do that is, we take everything that is normal to them away. Why because we can.



Which is why it may be hard to understand me. I look at animals based on what they do in nature. Not what they do in your cage, my cage or any tupperware container.



I do not use me or any other keeper as a standard. I use the animals.



As one loner to another, I wonder about your calling yourself a loner. As one, I would think you would not care what other humans do or say.



You would care what the animals do and say. And crapping in their shelter or nest box is without question telling you something. Let me think, what would it take to cause you to crap in your bedroom. Then think about whats happening to them.

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