Frank,



The thing you are not understanding, is that people can make up and say anything on the internet, either for their own agenda, and as a playground. I, and many others, whom myself and you know mutually, believe that is what you personally do here. Sorry to say that, but you need to know that.



And for others, whose reputations are less than..let's say stellar...who repeat this bad information, many of those who know them behind the scenes do not believe what they say as well on the internet. It is a need that is being promoted for attention.



In fact, this forum is laughed at, mocked at, and made fun of, basically because of a select few. Sadly, when someone who is new to this hobby asks a question, people like you, who are older and should know better, demean them. You should be more mature than that. That is when you yourself use this forum as a playground. You then play around with scientific facts about snakes, like you are on a playground. Thinking outside the box is great, and you do promote that, which I think is wonderful, but you are just playing on here.



You have still yet to show this huge thermal gradient in your cages, that allows snakes to make " choices ", when you have been asked over and over.



Snakes are not social animals. You should know that. When you find snakes in a natural habitat, they are co-habitating. That is what you are seeing out in the field. Why do snakes go about their way when they are born? Why do females snakes lay eggs and leave? Why don't the female mother snakes take care of their young, if they are capable of bonding? Bears do it, elephants do it, but you know for a fact sir that kingsnakes lay eggs, and go about their merry way. The mother snake doesn't sit around for days and days, watching Oprah, while waiting for the eggs to hatch, so she can teach them about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So, if kingsnakes are capable of bonding, why don't you see this type of behavior with them just like bears or elephants, when they are first born?? You don't.



It is known that some keep kings together. The reason that you may not see accidents at times is because the cage conditions are satisfying the right circumstances. That is all. Still a loaded gun, and accidents do, and will, happen.



Again, and the fact I even have to say this to you is ridiculous, is that Kingsnakes do this thing, called " eating other snakes. " EVERY breeder of kings, including myself, has witnessed their snake-eating talents put to the test in various ways. It is just that simple. They love to eat snakes, and nothing will change that.



Sometimes when they are put together to breed, they can try to eat each other.

If you handle a snake, and then pick up a kingsnake, they are known to start chowing on you, due to the smell of another snake.

Kings have killed their littermates when they have hatched, specifically Fl. kings.

And so on, and so on.



So, for then, with someone with your " experience " to them come on an internet forum and spout this " bonding " gibberish off, which does not scientifically correllate with what kingsnakes are to begin with, is simply bizarre. But there is an understanding as to why you do it. You and others want attention. That is where myself, many others, and the true leaders of breeding in this hobby are tired of seeing this. Bad information that can lead to bad circumstances. You even talked about, at one time, about raising two cal kings with no water? If that was even true, what respect does that show to the animals? I don't remember what came about that, but another example of you playing on here.



What is unfortunate is that the more we go back and forth on this subject, the more you and others are enabled to keep going on and on. So, there is really nothing more else to say. People need to stop enabling your fantasies of winning arguments, especially since science itself already conquered the feeble attempts to promote this " bonding " theory.




















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