"Why those opposed this will not discuss it, how its done, what causes it, what causes it to fail etc, is about them and not in the interest of education.



The tactic of making it about RIGHT or WRONG, does not apply and is only a tactic of debate. So these folks make it about right or wrong, they try to dicredit, etc etc in order to cover their own insecurities.



Which means, why can't you folks talk about the hows and why, it can be done by folks like Bluerosy or I(and others) WITHOUT problem.



Its not that you have to do it, no one is forcing you, SO why the holy heck do you oppose it so violently.



This is a discussion board, in this case we want to discuss this subject, not participate in the forming of opposing groups. Or bonding with eachother. Thanks

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First off let me state Thanks for the civil post here, after trying to wade through everything that was posted over the weekend.



FR, I am only going to speak for myself but I am sure there are many that would agree. I am in no way opposed to different methods of keeping Lampropeltis. I am opposed to being treated like I am stupid. I lowered my questions in certain posts for Bluerosy to answer, but could never get an answer, well a definate answer anyway. I have asked many times the cage size, pictures of his and your setups, all this in wanting to learn your way. With all due respect neither you nor Jeremy from CBI have posted any pictures at all. Feeding,Housing,Heating, none of it.



Rainer was called out on posting pics over the weekend, and his answer was "why?" Why should I when all the naysayers will not believe it anyway......Then he posted 3 FL Kings curled up in a ball in a tub. There are many that have asked questions(maybe dumbed down ones) and have never got a real answer.... Why should pictures be posted? They are factual evidence, and if not pictures, videos of feeding...Is it that hard to do?



I just think if you and Rainer would put together a great post with pictures, videos and a little commentary, you will have a further acceptance not only by me but by the overall herp community. I am glad it works for you and Rainer, hopefully it will be accepted through out the herp community someday. Educate us like we are your peers not infidels.



I will take your test and try it with a pair of knoblochi, They are a year old and eating fuzzies, I will brumate them together this winter( Which, I thought we are supposed to keep a wide temp gradient through out the winter?30F - 75F) In the spring I will feed them together. I will video tape as much as possible, they are still to small to breed this coming spring but atleast it will give them a year to "Bond".
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