Here's my take, in the case of Lu's snakes, I would have no problem calling them ch or cb, but I would definitely explain their situation because they are more desirable that way. If by chance ch means they were conceived in the wild, I didn't know that. If ch means just what it says, then all our snakes are ch unless they ar wc. That's I why I would explain the situation. With F3 X F4, yes they are at least 5 generations out, but I wouldn't call them F5. To me F4 X F4 is F5. You know, I think this is starting to sound ridiculous, I'll stop there. lol
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