THanks Tony, I do intend to cause some laughter every now and then.

You are making some great points, I never said what any of you do is BAD, that is something you folks insert on your own. And there is nothing wrong with average as theres nothing wrong with above average.

Also, I find it odd with the thought of combining methods. When in reality one is actually the extension of the other. I don't know about BR, but I started much like everyone else.

My only difference was, I believed in nature and not in people trying to interpid nature. As a youth, I saw to many errors in that interpitation.

Just now here, the basic concept of warm to cold, that is warm temps 84.553F then turn it down for winter, 55F. When that is not natural at all. Both during winter and summer, wild snake seek a range of temps. Monitoring dens is without question proving them. Which includes colubrids.

When normally all snakes seek cool to manage conserving energy, and only expend energy for specific purposes. Year around and i all locals.

If you look here where I live, its starting to get hot as heck, and in many areas, snakes cannnot find cool temps, so they must consume energy or perish. At that time, most reproduction stops or is over, as the animals cannot maintain the energy to reproduce.

Most colubrid reproduction is done when its cool, with the ability to attain heat. Once its hot all the time or cold all the time, they cannot reproduce. Its actually pretty simple.

To me, its not about methods, BR or FR and anyone, its about understanding what the needs are of the animals.

Let me state some our our higher potential results.

In the seventies, I hatched and raised three alterna, by their 18th month the trio produced 66 hatchlings. At the same time, I hatched and raised 3 cal kings, that trio produced 99 hatchlings by their 18th month.

Those females went on to produce like that for about 16 years before they slowed down to one clutch a year, then after a few years, would skip a year, here and there. I was very proud to support such a captive life.

of course those are just examples, but was rather normal for the methods I was using.

Of course, I applied the same approach to pythons and did very well, then torts, turtles, varanids. WIth varanids, it set the captive world on its ears, as they reponded so well to choices, that it was hard to understand.

It appears varanids were one of the few types of reptiles that actually required choices. They have a long history of firmly resisting recipe husbandry. In my opinion, monitors are a very general reptile that is a giant bag of behavior. I say, they are behavioral, as supporting behavior works so so well with them.

Colubrids are simple, meet basic needs and you recieve basic results. But you can also recieve much higher levels of results by applying the principles we talk about. Thanks and best wishes

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