No one said you have to like it. Its always buyer beware. Its been commonplace for decades.

All you can do is what you want to do.

And Please, it wasn't me or BR, many many many many others did worse. and when I say worse, its about what your afraid of.

They cross animals out of ignorance and do not label them crosses.

And often its not about the people. Its just commonplace.

Let me give you an example, My first varanid cross was out of ignorace, but whos? is the question.

I obtained a pair of FLAVIS, the later found another "Flavi" at a show in San Diego. It was labelled a Flavi. I looked it up and a well respected BOOK and there was a picture exactly like that animal. It was labelled an eastern Flavirufus. So I bred them with my central Flavis.

As time went by, I did lots and lots of field research and discovered, there is no such thing as an eastern FLAVI. in fact, there are V.g.gouldi. What I had was, V.flavirufus, or V.g.flavirufus, depending on which book you read and the timing of that book.

So I told everyone I sold those animals to, they were crosses.

Also as the difinition of naming these animals changes, many of what we CALLED PURE, will no longer be PURE. Newer discriptions tend to divide what we called called subspecies into distint species. So what we called the same species then becomes a HYBRID. So how does that work.

Then there are those that do these crosses on purpose, and don't label those animals as crosses.

In the end, they are all part of what your complaining about.

I was part of the original thayeri produced in this country. I did tell folks here, that we bred these Thayeri from different parts of THAYERI range and called them thayeri. Problem was, they were not all THAYERI. Until we actually learned to find them in numbers, it was normal to collect one here, and one there. Indeed, that is outcrossing and to a point of hybrids.

So again, all you can do at this point is make sure you buy WHAT YOU WANT. All the complaining on earth will get you nowhere. Cheers

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