Hi,

Terry has great points. especially where he says that hets that are het for hypo line and poss. het-hypo for another hypo line might be worse than better, especially in the begining of a project-(like pyro morph projects). About your question on hypo lines-(BHB hypos and Sentz hypos), myself, I bred a sentz hypo female x BHB het-hypo amle, got normal babys-(this is out fo 3 eggs, and all 3 babsy looked normal, so are 100% het-hypo and poss. het-hypo BHB, the male I kept might breed next year, which would be very interesting to see the results of that x my sentz hypo and eventually his sibling, a female)



As you say, breeding double hets-(if there was a breeding of sentz hypo x BHB hypo), and the only guy that could do that is BHB I think, casue he had bought 1 of the sentz hypos when frank memmos first produced them and wasnt sure of what they were and sold it to BHB, so he had a sentz hypo and produced hets from each line-(the sentz hypo he bought and the group of pyros he bought that produced albinos and hypos out of the same animals-(which is just like the black gap alterna- anerys and hypos were produced from the same line, so ghost popped out too, and thats what its like with BHB hypos and albinos, almost all BHB hypos are poss. het-albino and albinos poss. het-hypo BHB), but I've tried numerous times to talk with Brian about this stuff with no luck from messages, fax's and e-mails, even phone calls,but oh well. But letss ay that someone did breed a sentz hypo x a BHB hypo, and got all normals, then breed those together and chances of the double homo being some sort of super hypo would be great i think, with sentz hypos the dark bands are almost light coffe-cream color, where BHB hypos have darker black bands-(almost a chocolate brown, but darker than sentz hypos), but they seems to have a more of a pale orange-red on them, especially as babys. So a double homo sentz hypo-BHB hypo could have very plae ornage, and the very light coffe-cream color fo sentz hypos, combining the 2 lines together, and making a super looking hypo. But untill a sentz hypo x BHB hypo breeding happens-(unless BHB has done it already..?, we wont know if it will produce double het babys that are normal looking, or if it will produce hypos from both ends of the spectrum- soem being more pale in the orange like BHB hypos and soem having very light colored coffe-cream bands liek sentz hypos do. Theres lots to be seen still with it all, and years of teste breeding to see whats the real deal.



So with the very small # of normal babys I produced from my sentz x het-hypo BHB male, I could only guess that these 2 lines are not compatible..?-(anyone that talks to Brian Barzyack, please ask these ?'s to him, as I think he might be able to prived better answers these ?'s forsure), and Mark petros did a breeding last year of a BHB hypo male x a het-hypo Sentz female, and if I recall correct, he got 8 eggs from that breeding and all 8 normal..?, so either the ehst that mark and I used are not hets and thats why we got normal babys, or the 2 lines arent compatible with each other-(which is what i think, I think the BHB hypos are their own thing, now since they come from the same line as the albinos, whats up with breeding BHB hypo x albino..?, maybe the BHB hypos are somewhere along the line of amelanistic, just not all the way there..?), but with these "PALE" hypos that terry has produced this year, the ones from the "orange"male x het"ornage"female-(I'm in now ays aying that "ORANGE" pyros are a moprh, terry just bought them and they were labled like that from the seller) but those hypos were just as pale as your BHB hypos right...?, mark petros produced a hypo het-albino last year, and it was very pale looking, in the orange bands, not the dark bands, those were still dark-(not black, but more of a dark chocolate color, to me that pic of marks from last year, the BHB hypos you produced this year, plus the BHB hypo you sent me on breeder loan, they all have that paler look with dark choclate bands. Anyways, I went way overboard maybe, wrote alot,but oh well. I guess the only real way we'll get down to knwoing it all is test breedings, and very accurate notes by us doing these breedings-(I've got all my notes from '02-'04,since breeding the pyro moprhs), well it will be fun to watch it all expand and see what happens in the future.

Hope it makes ense to some..?

Jeff Teel

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