So let's just think of another topic to discuss. Speaking for myself I do not like to see the mice suffer anymore than I like to see a snake get bit. I do not like stunning or killing the mice myself either. Therefor frozen appeals to me. I also know[or thought I knew]that most of the larger rodent suppliers flash freeze the rodents, I can not be specific but I thought they were frozen at an incredible rate and not simply put into a freezer. I was even more sympathetic to the mice when I was a kid, it really bothered me to see one suffer from a snake who simply was not an efficient killer. Sometimes a mouse would be constricted in an area that did nothing more than restrain it, or I have also seen snakes so eager to devour thier prey the mouse had rebounded back into life while halfway down the snakes throat only to be spat out and constricted again. Seeing my snakes all appear to thrive on frozen thawed I have no reason to worry they're missing out on some nutrients. Not too mention some of my snakes have such a strong feeding response they go nuts and constrict dead prey and get a little excercize for lack of a better word. I also occasioanlly do the Python thing where when feeding from tongs you simply do not let go for a minute and shake it around a bit to really get your snake in kill mode, thus mimicing a more natural setting. I had a large Pine receive a puncture wound from a rat that bled way too much for me to ever willingly chance that happening again. You have to admit Ameron, the way you began this post was somewhat confrontational as if you wanted to argue and that's what this whole thread is. Some of us feed live and others don't. Both sides have made points, it's food for thought so let's move on and discuss something else Tom Stevens

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