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Joe Forks
at Thu Aug 11 14:14:10 2005 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Joe Forks ]
one of the things that keyed the response in the "picky" snakes was the movement. The specific movement of the lizard running by, as opposed to the movement of a pinky laying on it's back wiggling. These same "picky" feeders would turn thier nose at frozen thawed lizards of the same species. So IMO it was entirely an instinctive response. I don't think humans live long enough to reprogram that type of response through several generations of captive breeding, but I could be wrong.
For me the biggest key was size, by 16-18 grams and several meals the snakes ate pinkies like they had eaten them all along.
I found this the easiest, least hassle way ("picky" feeders only)
Here are some notes I accumulated and things others have tried,
Presentation is key. Remeber these are crevice dwellers. It always helps to offer meals in tight quarters, that's where they feed in the wild. Crumpled up newspaper with a board on top is good.
1) Repeat the presentation of new-born mice on a regular basis even if they have refused your last offering. Sometimes they will decide to take a food item offered in this manner on the fourth or fifth presentation.
2) Wash a new-born mouse with plain water and then offer it to the snake.
3) Peel back the skin from the snout of a new-born to expose blood, and then contain the hatchlings in small quarters with the food item overnight.
4) Cut open the top of the head of a dead new-born mouse, mush the brain material around and place this mouse in the hiding place of the snake. The technique generally works surprisingly very often.
5) The practice of scenting, rubbing a lizard on a mouse, usually will entice reluctant hatchlings to take new-born mice. Also cover the nose of the mouse with a small piece of the Lizard's skin.
6) Lizard soup - grind up lizards in a jar with a small amount of water and keep them in the freezer. 15 - 20 seconds in a microwave causes the Lizard Oil to float to the top of the "soup". It's a simple matter to dip the pinkie nose into the "soup" for scenting.
7) Insert a new-born into the mouth of the snake until the snake bites down, gently put the snake back into its cage and wait for the snake to swallow. You may have to repeat this procedure a couple of times until it works (Mattison 1991).
8) Give the hatchlings the possibility to hibernate for a month. Some specimens are willing to feed by them self after such cool period.
9) EIDBO (1996a) also described another technique that has worked many time: Problem feeders he induced to feed by depriving it of water for 3 to 4 days. After this period he offered a newborn mouse dipped in water and when a snake started to drink the water drops, and end up eating the mouse.
10) Live lizards are almost always accepted, causing juvenile specimens to feed voraciously. Snakes, which have fed upon live lizards, should be monitored closely for parasites. If you feed Med Geckos, beware of tapeworms.
Forks
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- Selective breeding for Mexicana that are strong feeders? - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 15:18:36 2005
- RE: Selective breeding for Mexicana that are strong feeders? - JETZEN, Wed Aug 10 15:56:04 2005
- If that trait is inheritable it would seem self selecting... - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 10 16:44:39 2005
- Russ Bates........... - vichris, Wed Aug 10 17:33:11 2005

- RE: Russ Bates........... - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 17:44:17 2005
- Tom I don't know if I just got lucky or what - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 18:12:26 2005
- RE: Russ Bates........... - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 18:15:39 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - FR, Wed Aug 10 18:22:23 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 18:40:31 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 18:50:43 2005
- Well, no.... - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 10 19:00:26 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 19:09:33 2005
- Individualism..................N/P - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 19:11:20 2005
- Yep, but is it heritable? - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 10 19:19:26 2005
- RE: That tells me - FR, Wed Aug 10 19:22:44 2005
- RE: You can make all the excuses you want - FR, Wed Aug 10 19:25:31 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - FR, Wed Aug 10 19:31:10 2005
- You had us at Mexicana - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 19:32:17 2005
- RE: Yep, but is it heritable? - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 19:34:08 2005
- So Frank where does one keep 200 hatchlings - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 19:34:39 2005
- Yep! lol np - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 10 19:36:16 2005
- RE: That tells me - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 19:37:01 2005
- I'm more than comfortable.... - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 10 19:42:13 2005
- Hey Frank - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 19:48:27 2005
- That's what I mean Russ - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 19:54:38 2005
- RE: Hey Frank - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 20:11:58 2005
- RE: Hey Frank - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 20:17:03 2005
- Me TOO!!......Just like talking snakes....N/P - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 20:24:23 2005
- Good thing you guys don't wanna talk POON - RussBates, Wed Aug 10 20:25:30 2005
- What the hell is that supposed to mean? - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 20:29:00 2005
- RE: That tells me - FR, Wed Aug 10 20:58:28 2005
- RE: That tells me - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 21:04:43 2005
- RE: Russ Bates........... - JETZEN, Wed Aug 10 21:30:04 2005
- RE: So Frank where does one keep 200 hatchlings - FR, Wed Aug 10 21:37:51 2005
- RE: Russ Bates........... - jlassiter, Wed Aug 10 21:47:06 2005
- Hydration problems? - bluerosy, Wed Aug 10 22:41:52 2005
- After 30 posts I guess the answer is no, no one on here has done it? np. - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 23:20:55 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - Aaron, Wed Aug 10 23:23:21 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - Nokturnel Tom, Wed Aug 10 23:36:50 2005
- RE: Hydration problems? - Keith Hillson, Thu Aug 11 00:33:35 2005
- RE: After 31 - Snakesunlimited1, Thu Aug 11 01:18:15 2005
- RE: Hydration problems? - bluerosy, Thu Aug 11 01:22:56 2005
- RE: After 30 posts I guess the answer is no, no one on here has done it? np. - Aaron, Thu Aug 11 01:27:15 2005
- RE: Russ Bates........... - Snakesunlimited1, Thu Aug 11 01:28:01 2005
- RE: After 31 - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Aug 11 01:29:44 2005
- RE: After 30 posts I guess the answer is no, no one on here has done it? np. - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Aug 11 01:33:48 2005
- RE: What the hell is that supposed to mean? - RussBates, Thu Aug 11 04:26:14 2005
- RE: Good thing you guys don't wanna talk POON - Eimon, Thu Aug 11 04:57:43 2005
- RE: Tom I don't know if I just got lucky or what - Eimon, Thu Aug 11 05:05:52 2005
- RE: Good thing you guys don't wanna talk POON - RussBates, Thu Aug 11 06:22:58 2005
- RE: Tom I don't know if I just got lucky or what - RussBates, Thu Aug 11 06:24:37 2005
- RE: So Frank where does one keep 200 hatchlings - RussBates, Thu Aug 11 06:25:56 2005
- RE: Russ Bates........... - Keith Hillson, Thu Aug 11 08:19:49 2005
- I think I said it... - Mike Meade, Thu Aug 11 09:18:17 2005
- RE: What the hell is that supposed to mean? - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Aug 11 10:02:03 2005
- Tom - Joe Forks, Thu Aug 11 11:17:04 2005
- RE: What the hell is that supposed to mean? - RussBates, Thu Aug 11 11:43:46 2005
- RE: After 31 - snakesunlimited1, Thu Aug 11 12:13:00 2005
- RE: I think I said it... - snakesunlimited1, Thu Aug 11 12:15:24 2005
- RE: Tom - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Aug 11 13:12:21 2005
I should have mentioned... - Joe Forks, Thu Aug 11 14:14:10 2005
- Now THAT was informative - Mike Meade, Thu Aug 11 16:10:55 2005
- excellent post, very good stuff to know np. - Nokturnel Tom, Thu Aug 11 17:46:38 2005
- RE: Hydration problems? - Aaron, Thu Aug 11 20:51:44 2005
- RE: I actually want to cuse at this, hahahahahahahaha - Rtdunham, Fri Aug 12 08:06:29 2005
- RE: Damnit Terry - snakesunlimited1, Sat Aug 13 10:37:20 2005
- RE: That's what I mean Russ - antelope, Sun Aug 14 12:01:36 2005

- RE: Tom - antelope, Sun Aug 14 15:24:24 2005
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