Hey Paul, I personally could care less about locale, and with Goini I barely see it relevant, and the fact the snakes appear to be Goini and were collected where Goini are foundis all I can offer anyone interested in these. In other words no other info will be offered to people simply because they are the ones buying them. I am not keeping it to those only involved in working with them, I have told the few who got them this year no more than I told anyone else. There's so much to read since this came to the forum...and I do not know how much you checked out yourself. The fact is I showed other snakes related to these 05s to people who are knowledgeable about Goini. We all agreed they appear to be Goini, and after investigating this as far as I can, I can say with confidence this is not a man made cross. The guy who produced these has been friends with the collector for 22 years, and he is not someone who would create a man made snake for kicks or cash. He has a collection he likes and a job that pays way more than any kingsnake breeder or collector can make. I had a few people over my house when we had several of these snakes too look at, and also other unrelated animals to compare them too and no one was suspicious of them being hybrids. Some of us like Hybrids, and some are not into them at all. No one could find anything about the snakes to make us think they were. Some people are assuming someon called me and said "hey I have amel goini!' and I said "cool i want them!". It was not like that. I was interested in these for well over a year before any were available. I found out all I can about them and the people involved and that is all I can do. The info I can not offer would bail me out of this drama but I can not go against the wishes of people involved. Goini are constantly under debate as it is, and this Amel is no exception. When asked to prove what a Goini is, how they came to be, and what makes them different, even people who think they know more than the average keeper can not give a good explanation. These are a cool new morph that originated from a WC animal. The offspring range throughout all looks Goini can produce. You can not breed any 2 given Kings and create all these looks which happen to all be part of Goini variants. Yet I have to explain over n over....as if some guy collected some Floridana or Easterns and they spat out blotched and patternless kings. Those would probably be worth more than the Goini, which we priced on the low end of the scale considering it is a new morph on the market. I don't know what else to say. I have a good rep, and this is making me furious to the point where I say things that give people the wrong impression about me....which sucks. However since it was I who brought the attention to the snake, I have to deal with it. From day one we have said like it or don't like it, buy it or don't buy it. It is what it is and that's all I can say. No one is willing to put themselves in my shoes,,,,many may have passed on this snake,,,,,not me, I like them and know others will too
Tom Stevens

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