>>Of course, if both ssps, holbrooki and splendida, both occured in the same area, then I would guess they were separate species and if there were some crosses I'd probably call them hybrids

I think we're on the same page for the most part. But re: the above is why I brought up triangulum in Texas. In both Val Verde and Terrell counties in Texas you can find both "celaenops" and "annulata" sympatric, yet clearly they are the same species. I'm sure I could cite more examples as well.

While I don't have a problem with "subs" I don't think it's fool proof either (not black and white), especially given the dynamic nature of species over time. Our classification is simply a snapshot of (proposed) relationships right now. Not only am I interested in how they relate to each other today, but I'm fascinated with the origin of species as well.

Forks

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• Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - jlassiter, Sun Sep 18 23:01:41 2005
• GREAT pics John.... - TobyEKing, Sun Sep 18 23:22:48 2005
• RE: Beautiful kingsnake, - FR, Mon Sep 19 13:19:10 2005
• RE: Beautiful kingsnake, - ratsnakehaven, Mon Sep 19 15:05:04 2005
• dechiphering Frank's code.... - Joe Forks, Mon Sep 19 16:24:14 2005
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• RE: dechiphering Frank's code.... - Joe Forks, Mon Sep 19 20:34:31 2005
• RE: dechiphering Frank's code.... - ratsnakehaven, Mon Sep 19 21:20:21 2005
• RE: I am like you - FR, Mon Sep 19 16:29:18 2005
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• RE: Beautiful kingsnake, - jlassiter, Mon Sep 19 17:30:15 2005
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• RE: Beautiful kingsnake, - Joe Forks, Mon Sep 19 18:05:26 2005
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• RE: Beautiful kingsnake, - Pastorpat, Tue Sep 20 18:35:02 2005
• RE: Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - ratsnakehaven, Wed Sep 21 05:27:08 2005
• RE: Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - jlassiter, Wed Sep 21 05:32:15 2005
• RE: Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - ratsnakehaven, Wed Sep 21 06:31:06 2005
• RE: Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - antelope, Fri Sep 23 02:59:32 2005
• RE: Calhoun Co. Holbrooki intergrade....(pics) - antelope, Fri Sep 23 03:13:47 2005
• More on splendida and other kings....(pics) - ratsnakehaven, Sat Sep 24 06:26:25 2005
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