Joe, I think we need to define some terms. When I talked with you and Frank in a previous thread I think we may have misunderstood each others' meanings of the terms, such as intergrade, subspecies, speciation, etc.

You ask some good questions here which I'll let Chris answer, but I'm very curious too. The getula species is widespread in the US and Mex, for sure, and I think we'd all be disappointed if no subspecies were recognized. I think we need to look at each subspecies to see how closely related they are to each other and decide if we think speciation is really taking place. I mean with all our species, because it's different with each case...kingsnakes, milksnakes, corn snakes, etc.

Thanks for listening. Be back later....TC

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