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Posted by: Joe Forks at Tue Sep 20 12:29:49 2005 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Joe Forks ]

basically I have implied a meaning already in the post you replied to above.

To me, an intergrade is the product of a breeding from two forms that are at least slightly divergent from each other (i.e. subspecies).

However, IF splendida and holbrookii are just natural variants of getula and can not be separated by distinctive traits, then those "intermediate forms are not true "intergrades".

This premise is basically the reason for our whole discussion here and below. And again, even if it holds true in this case, it's not "black and white" and may not be applicable in other species groups.

Or on the same note. Was Burbrink really justified to sink all those subs of guttata, bring back New world "Elaphe" and recognize three species "emoryi", "slowinskii", and "guttata"?

It was very pertinent that you brought the guttata group into the discussion, a group that ranges from the Jalpan Valley in Queratero, NW to Utah and east to (New Jersey?).

Forks

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More on the intergrade kings.... - crimsonking, Mon Sep 19 21:08:57 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - snakesunlimited1, Mon Sep 19 21:19:27 2005

since opinions are free and worthless, I'll offer one... - Joe Forks, Mon Sep 19 21:38:33 2005

RE: since opinions are free and worthless, I'll offer one... - crimsonking, Mon Sep 19 23:05:36 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - jlassiter, Mon Sep 19 21:58:02 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - antelope, Fri Sep 23 01:15:51 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - antelope, Fri Sep 23 01:20:27 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - ratsnakehaven, Fri Sep 23 10:45:58 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - antelope, Sat Sep 24 11:28:51 2005

RE: More on the intergrade kings.... - chrish, Mon Sep 19 23:08:38 2005

does the term intergrade have a specific implication? - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 09:36:13 2005

If I may cut in... - ratsnakehaven, Tue Sep 20 10:44:50 2005

RE: If I may cut in... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 12:14:31 2005

oh, and I left out intergrade because.... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 12:29:49 2005

a URL to Burbrinks paper... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 12:38:24 2005

RE: oh, and I left out intergrade because.... - ratsnakehaven, Tue Sep 20 13:11:03 2005

RE: oh, and I left out intergrade because.... - ratsnakehaven, Tue Sep 20 14:05:09 2005

RE: oh, and I left out intergrade because.... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 14:35:08 2005

RE: oh, and I left out intergrade because.... - ratsnakehaven, Tue Sep 20 15:17:59 2005

Just a quick scan of the paper.... - chrish, Tue Sep 20 22:15:51 2005

RE: Just a quick scan of the paper.... - ratsnakehaven, Wed Sep 21 06:52:35 2005

well I re-read this and.... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 13:15:51 2005

RE: well I re-read this and.... - Dobry, Tue Sep 20 15:50:42 2005

RE: well I re-read this and.... - Joe Forks, Tue Sep 20 16:36:27 2005

RE: well I re-read this and.... - Dobry, Tue Sep 20 20:41:44 2005

RE: does the term intergrade have a specific implication? - chrish, Tue Sep 20 22:00:05 2005

RE: does the term intergrade have a specific implication? - antelope, Fri Sep 23 01:50:45 2005

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oh, and I left out intergrade because....

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