well IMHO and i have worked with both they(nigra&holbrooki) are the same snake. id say being in s.il its just a speckledee nigra IE if kept up and bred w/another of same locale that some babies would retain/gain speckles into adulthood and some would lose them as they age like nigra further east(that one may loose are gain speckles still as its growing), thats a great locality project imho as i beleive it would yeild both classic phenotypes of this getula that science/man has classified as 2 distinct ssp. regardless of ssp. great looking snake there ,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis

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• Is this holbrooki? - the_Ox, Fri Sep 23 23:14:10 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - chrish, Sat Sep 24 16:22:45 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - chrish, Sat Sep 24 16:24:22 2005
• I would say it is an intergrade.... - gratefuldead, Sat Sep 24 19:10:57 2005
• Thanx guys, but - the_Ox, Sat Sep 24 20:54:19 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - thomas davis, Sat Sep 24 23:25:19 2005
• one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Sun Sep 25 12:39:20 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Mon Sep 26 10:44:57 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 08:05:51 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Tue Sep 27 09:44:42 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 13:49:33 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Tue Sep 27 16:54:25 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 17:53:39 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - antelope, Tue Sep 27 23:49:47 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Wed Sep 28 18:20:49 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Wed Sep 28 09:21:45 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Wed Sep 28 18:22:21 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - Phil Peak, Sun Sep 25 12:27:43 2005