QUOTE:I think there are enough differences between specks and blacks to warrant separate subs.ENDQUOTE and what differances are they phil?ground color=same from blackblack to drk brown across their respective ranges surely you couldnt say that what about melanistic? pattern varieation,color? some show white to cream some show deep yellow?pattern specks,bars? def. a locale trait to help with camoflage imho,,,size? they are the same size,,,,scalation?,,same.
please tell me A differance in the ssp. your eastern intergrade is null as easterns get WAY bigger and do not go thru ontogenetic change,and have much bigger heads and bulkier bodies.for those reasons i can see ssp. status between nigra and lgg. bit i just cant see any in nigra and holbrooki i sure dont want to argue phil i just honestly would like to know exactly how you beleive they(nigra&holbrooki) are different and i beleive its holbrooki that should fall from ssp status ,if that means anything,,,,,,thomas davis

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• Is this holbrooki? - the_Ox, Fri Sep 23 23:14:10 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - chrish, Sat Sep 24 16:22:45 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - chrish, Sat Sep 24 16:24:22 2005
• I would say it is an intergrade.... - gratefuldead, Sat Sep 24 19:10:57 2005
• Thanx guys, but - the_Ox, Sat Sep 24 20:54:19 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - thomas davis, Sat Sep 24 23:25:19 2005
• one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Sun Sep 25 12:39:20 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Mon Sep 26 10:44:57 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 08:05:51 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Tue Sep 27 09:44:42 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 13:49:33 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Tue Sep 27 16:54:25 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Tue Sep 27 17:53:39 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - antelope, Tue Sep 27 23:49:47 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Wed Sep 28 18:20:49 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - thomas davis, Wed Sep 28 09:21:45 2005
• RE: one key difference though.... - Phil Peak, Wed Sep 28 18:22:21 2005
• RE: Is this holbrooki? - Phil Peak, Sun Sep 25 12:27:43 2005