You said, you seen kingsnakes crawl on the ground in the day, I have seen lots of them. But what does that mean?



IMHO it means they are out looking for food,water,mate,etc, maybe they(getula)are territorial and they are checking for competing kings, maybe they are expanding or reducing or moving home ranges



On the way to the place you saw one or a few, you drove past thousands of other kingsnakes, why didn't you see them?



well because they were either undercover OR underground there is a differance.



You have to understand, there are millions and millions of kingsnakes, and you saw a few doing what? How representative is that? hmmmmmm lets say your saw 10, so its 10/5000000000. Or a hundred, 100/5000000000 the reality is, in your life, you most likely have been in the area of far more then 5 million, if you do not stay in your house all the time.



5000000000?come on frank 5billion? maybe as whole across the country but noway in a county or even a state Imho, i do beleive the numbers are very high but 5billion?seems a bit much.



For instance I drove from coast to coast, many times, how many kingsnakes did I pass? I did so in june, how many active kingsnakes did I pass? How many did I see? Do you get the picture.



YES i get the picture albeit a lil blurry



When you say what snakes do, you are including all kings or all individuals of the type your talking about. Not just the one you saw. Unless you say, this one kingsnake is sitting on

a log. Then that would be accurate. Consider, at the time, how many of all the kingsnakes were sitting on a log. While I am sure more are sitting

on a

log, the vast majority are not sitting on a log, but are underground, so then, kingsnakes are underground, they are underground 24/7, 365, that is, the vast majority are underground during that time you saw one on the ground.



ok ya lost me at one time or another(debatable)ALL kings are above ground maybe undercover but not underground 24/7,365 just as ALL are underground at times but not 24/7,365



Of course there are exceptions, and the importance of exceptions can vary and is debatable.



100% agreed



Consider, millions of kingsnakes breed and lay eggs every year, yet we humans only see a handfull of wild kingsnake eggs a year, in nest. In fact, by percentage, we see very very few gravid females, compared to how many are gravid. Why?



IMHO the gravid femmes stay underground, probably an action triggered after they have bred also why nest are seldom found as they also for the most part are undergound



It boils down to exposure, I have experience that

allows me to understand the larger numbers, so I do not dwell on the smaller numbers. You may be the opposite.



no, i have a bit of experience im definatley not opposite



Of course, in the east, you have a higher percentage that are on the surface(wet and cold) compared to the west(hot and dry) The percentage is still very small compared to the whole population. More to think about FR



agreed about the percentage being small compared to the population. but i dont beleive east(wet,cold) west(hot,dry) has ANYTHING to do with getula movements/activity or lack of.

great conversation,,,,,thanks

thomas davis

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