Yes a pine would be the ultimate for sure! I honestly thought we would find another this past season but it wasn't to be. We think we are searching in the best possible locales, now its just a matter of being there at the right time. One of the nice things about looking for pine snakes here is it puts you in position to see a number of other interesting species in the event the target isn't met. Black kings, prairie kings, corns, timbers and copperheads are all likely to be seen while pursuing the ultimate goal. Look forward to you guys coming in. Black Kingsnakes should be fairly easy to come by. The kings from the the drier upland areas where we search for pine snakes are very dark with most specimens showing no trace of pattern on the dorsum. They can grow very large in this habitat as well. I bred very little this year. Only Ky locale corns and Kankakee bulls. Next year I should be breeding those again and a few other things such as Dade county canal stock brooksi, Iredell county N.C. getula, Jefferson county Ky obsoleta, and a couple of localities of Ky nigra. Phil

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