Lloyd Lemke taught me this method many years ago and i have used it successfully on dumerils,hogs,BCI,and BCA,ETB(be very careful!) i am sure it works on many others, it does not work on BP's, but i did try it on JCP succesfully and recently on my first GTP and felt the tip of the hemipene (Lloyd described it as a rubber band "snapping back", i cant imagine probing or using a magnifying glass when this method is so simple and fast.thanks, john yocum

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• spurs deffinately determine sex? - jayf, Sun Nov 13 02:11:32 2005
• In a nutshell.... - robertmcphee, Sun Nov 13 08:51:35 2005
• Its not the size of the spur that counts... its the motion of the ocean lol - vcaruso15, Sun Nov 13 09:55:54 2005
• I agree, I have females with spurs too..(more) - LauraV, Sun Nov 13 10:15:08 2005
• more with the "female" ... update - jayf, Sun Nov 13 11:23:33 2005
• Did you feel the balls roll with the male? If - LauraV, Sun Nov 13 13:28:42 2005
• RE: Did you feel the balls roll with the male? If - jayf, Sun Nov 13 13:36:28 2005
• I used - LauraV, Sun Nov 13 13:47:56 2005
• RE: I used - jayf, Sun Nov 13 15:01:44 2005
• Still talkin' about snakes..right? - dmac, Mon Nov 14 01:42:54 2005
• LOL Laura - koky6869, Sun Nov 13 13:13:37 2005
• RE: I agree, I have females with spurs too..(more) - cbreps, Sun Nov 13 18:10:23 2005
• It's not the presence or absence of spurs but rather their morphology...... - Kelly_Haller, Sun Nov 13 11:55:31 2005
• I agree with Kelly 1000% - Rainshadow, Sun Nov 13 13:05:05 2005
• thank you guys ... more - jayf, Sun Nov 13 13:40:53 2005