Wow, lots of talk here thanks for all the replies, my wife said she doesent mind me getting the snake(after alot of begging) that being said i was only getting the snake for display purpose im not intrested in handling either of the two (besides for cleaning and such) im planning on making a custom cage so that might take some time. not sure on mangrove or fwc yet, the mangroves are just so pretty makes my choice so hard thanks again for the replies.