thx patty. She has clear eyes and is very alert. I see them daily and she has thinned a bit, I have seen her thicker. I supplement every other day wit vit/cal that you mentioned. I culture both malagaster(sp) and hydei flies. Since the post I have seen her feed and she does get some but her aim is still short, and some flies take up to 4 flicks of the tongue. I was curious if this is a known symptom of something else.