Thanks for the responses,

I appreciate that I may end up at the vets, just have a feeling that the vet i use is happy to keep treating for problems that dont really exist (past experience!)

I also think trying one more rat would be worth while so i think i'll give it a go.

Ive uploaded pics now so if that affects anyones opinion shout up!

thanks again,

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AndyD

1.1 Red Blood Python
2.2 Western Hognose
1.1 Leucy Texas Ratsnake
1.0 African Grey Parrot
1.0 Staffordshire Bull Terrier