No sorry all i know is that the 3 babies that i'm unsure of were bred by a buddy of mine who bought a pair of copperheads as a broadband pair one turned out to be broadbanded (were pretty sure) the other we were unsure of.....thats ALL i know as for the northern i bought that from a very shady guy who just had it didnt tell me anything bout it said "give me $15" so i gave him the money and he said "my vans out back go get the snake out of the back you can keep the kritter keeper its in" (we were at a expo and his van was out back)