Hey Kelly, nice pics. Those definitely don't match my idea of Osages, but like I said, I'm least familiar with them. I honestly don't see any appeal to them at all. The other 4 subspecies are all distinct and amazing. Osages are just really dull to me. Kind of "generic". So you're saying those babies are pure Phaogaster? He had said the parents didn't look the same so that put me on the hybrid trail...Also, if he's from Michigan, what's the liklihood of him running across pure Osages? I'm enjoying this little mystery.