thanks - i appreciate your reply and others - i'm just a little frustrated - i'v bought 3 snakes lately - all advertised as 3 footers and they ranged from 2 1/ ft to 4 ft and from 225 grams to 1400 - its nuts - so - i have learned my lesson - i have decided to quit searching so hard - i have spent many hours literally online - and to wait for the right dum to come along - everyone i have inquired with either has babies or 5 footers - and i have heard some of the craziest stuff about what they "say" they have - i'm in no hurry to breed whatsoever - just want a nice gal to go with my male and kinda raise 'em up together - not too many expos or big shops in my area - i will go to sheperdsville this Sunday at kentucky reptile expo - maybe she will show up there?? - thanks again