PIP PIP 63.5 days from a liquid centered sphere to a prehistoric beast. Manouria emys phayrei 2nd.generation of DEFYING DESTINY. 25 years ago the grandbreeder was in a Bangkok Thialand food market when "a simple twist of fate"(b.dylan) put her in the hands of a evil pet trade dealer,then she was shipped to America where man was* free to own Wild life. Vic Morgan * check your "loco" Laws.