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PIP PIP 63.5 days from a liquid centered sphere to a prehistoric beast. Manouria emys phayrei 2nd.generation of DEFYING DESTINY. 25 years ago the grandbreeder was in a Bangkok Thialand food market when "a simple twist of fate"(b.dylan) put her in the hands of a evil pet trade dealer,then she was shipped to America where man was* free to own Wild life. Vic Morgan * check your "loco" Laws.

I love those tortoises, they look so primitive and prehistoric (I know they are but they really look it.).
I have some malaysian leaf turtles (cyclemys dentata.) and was told by the jobber I got them from that his source over in Indo gets all his animals from the food markets. I lost two of the five I originally got but 4 years later the other 3 are doing great. I think if they were capable of that kind of thought process (perhaps they are.) they would agree that life is much better now than if they had ended up on someone's dinner plate.

THANKS! You know not that long ago,about 20 years the Asians traded and sold animals but they had no big money value because there was no demand for "tons" of turtles. It was more like I trade you my duck for your turtle. There simply was no refrigeration so for that reason alone it was a substained use. Thousands of years of tradishional use didnt wipe them out. So I have no problem with that, its been their culture as far as it go back. In 1989 Chinese people could spend their money in other countries so the went all over Asia offering $money$ for as many turtles as they could collect. Again,what can you say about people that are now in a modern world and are dirt poor making only a few bucks a day now could make much more,and they work hard at that. I cant blame them and dont. In a short 12 years after this started conservationist called it a "Black hole" of disapearing turtles.*J.Behler. I've seen a confascated shipment of 4.5 tons. Just one in thousands a year. Its no imbellishment by Conservationist in this case,its mind boggeling. So if you can get your hands on any Asian turtles and breed or just give them a desent life you my friend are rich and "DEFYING DESTINY" The captive born offspring is all that will be here in the future,and the government HERE wants to destroy this possability I should'nt have had that 2nd. cup of coffee! Vic...pic caption...the Fl.F.W.C wants to know the "birthday's" of all my babies and their babies.