Gator, let these grown men talk. I'm learning plenty and don't even keep lacies or even any other varanus sp anymore. Keep the fanboyisms to a minimum. You're wrong when you suggest Frank knows its all about simulating the prime conditions found inside an active termite mound. He just stated that it doesn't mean jack because nobody can create an active termite mound in a monitor enclosure. Still missing the point from where I sit.