Thanks man! just the input i'm lookin for... i did read that about the ones found closer to the southern part of the range espescially the north/southern integrades have more of a red banding/marking..... i'm having trouble finding good pics online though... I want to know if the really red ones are random found or locale specific...the ones with the uniform red ground color! what are your thoughts on that?... is it a morph or line trait?