Hi Dave,

Philippe considered the advancement of herpetoculture in waves. If I remember correctly (and I often don't), the first wave was simply keeping them alive for an extended period of time and maybe getting a few offspring. The second wave was predictably and reliably breeding the animals and the third wave involves keeping them in such a manner that allows them to express their natural behaviors to the best of our ability, in holistic set-ups, much like Frank espouses.

Will