Thanks for the response. I was starting to worry I wouldn't get any more opinions. Very low expression conda out of two normal adults still makes me very happy. I always got pretty straightforward numbers out of past projects but I guess I just got lucky. It would be a boon for my budget to be able to consistently produce condas from a normal sized investment, but the opinions on these particular snakes are so uncertain that I hesitate to sell them as anything but normals. I figure that most of the forum members are busy with their own hatchlings but I still hope to see some of the other morph masters/genetics genies on this forum weigh in.