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So here's the story:
One of my pairs:
Female

Spotted Dam by alexmartinez1229
Male

Yellow Sire by alexmartinez1229
They produced what you kind folks on this forum called a low expression anaconda, here he is:

2012 dorsal by alexmartinez1229
The belly shot:

2012 belly by alexmartinez1229
This year I bred him back to his mom and they produced these two, the rest of the clutch was run of the mill:

2015 dorsal hog 2 by alexmartinez1229

2015 dorsal by alexmartinez1229
Both have solid black bellies just like dad. What the heck are these guys, condas would have been co-dom but the similarities did not extend to half the clutch just those two pretty guys. Please Advise.

Percentages are over large numbers, not small. If you repeated the same animals, dozens of times, you would see a percentage that better represents the "predictions"
ALso, not a real hog morph guy, maybe Gregg could offer a better answer, but "captive" hogs these days, are not pure this or that. They are more about combinations of many local genotypes. I know folks who received tigers, spotteds, like your, and condas, from NORMAL CHEAPIES they got at the herp show. I would think its rare for breeders to breed for pure normal. So most normals you get now a days, are carriers for all manner of morphs. You know the possible het thing. Can't sell them all as "possible" hets. So they offer(dump) them as normals. They is not all breeders, but its a lot. Best wishes

That's definitely information... I'm sure it's just my ignorance of genetics rearing it's ugly head, but I'm not sure that really answers my question. I truly do appreciate the input though.

I think that is the point, academic, is what we think is suppose to happen, etc, etc. What actually happens is something else altogether. When breeding for morphs, percentages can be predicted, What hatches out rarely equals those predictions.
Your question may be about what these two look like, not actually condas. Yet have conda bellies.
Breed those "condas" together and see if they really are condas, you may have your own morph. If they are condas, they should produce a super morph.

Yup that's the plan... Unfortunately all boys...

The thing with odds is they are not predictable.

So, you breed a codom conda to a normal female.
Each egg has a 50% chance of being a conda.
If you have 20 eggs, statistically you SHOULD hatch 10 condas.
In reality, you could get 0-20 condas.
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If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

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Dad looks like a conda to me. Very low expression, but conda for sure.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

www.youtube.com/reptilenexus

Thanks for the response. I was starting to worry I wouldn't get any more opinions. Very low expression conda out of two normal adults still makes me very happy. I always got pretty straightforward numbers out of past projects but I guess I just got lucky. It would be a boon for my budget to be able to consistently produce condas from a normal sized investment, but the opinions on these particular snakes are so uncertain that I hesitate to sell them as anything but normals. I figure that most of the forum members are busy with their own hatchlings but I still hope to see some of the other morph masters/genetics genies on this forum weigh in.

From a marketing point of view, I do not think super low expression condas, are worth more then a nice normal. As there are so many out there.
Also I think many breeders sell off super low expression condas as normals.
That said, place the value you thing they deserve and go for it.

Which breeders in particular are selling low expression condas for normal prices... All the low condas I've seen have been b/w 75-150...a long shot from what normal babies sell for... I would love to purchase a female low expression for the price of a normal if you can recommend anyone..

I may have some female lower expressions. (I say may because I hatched a bunch of condas 100% het albino, but they are days old. Gotta sex them.)

Email me and we can talk about a price on one of the females. It'd be more than $150, but not crazy.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

www.youtube.com/reptilenexus

At various herp shows in the southwest. I have had friends purchase normals produce all manner of morphs from them.

Ahh OK I see

Try again and hold back any female condas.
Breed said males to females. IF you get supers, you have your answer.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

www.youtube.com/reptilenexus