yeah,i should have mentioned,these are from florida....i did'nt hatch these-no,i bought them as hatchlings....these guys were very small-did'nt get a weight like i normally do,but they were no more than 6-7" long...the hardest part was finding day-old pinks small enough for them,but they got them down,kept them down,and to my surprise showed not even a trace of bolus/lump less than 24 hours later...hey steve craig,you mentioned getting virginia specimens-is that where you are,va?