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I have a thirty gal in storage that i want to set up.
I previously had it set up with bog plants, waterfall
and cork bark. When i moved the plants died and broke
the light. the light was the key ingredient.

I need to set this up. I was considering the bog plants
but adding some bromeliads and crazy vines. there is places
for non bog plants.

Now to get to the actual frog question. Is it ok to mix
red eyes and black eyes? I love both of these because
they are exotic and are relativly cheap these days.
I also wanted to add one fiddler crab or what ever
fresh water crab... to eat food left over from the frogs.
I forgot to include i will only have one red eye and one black.

Dont know about the mixing, but when you get the tank set up if you can post pic, i am tryin gto get ideas for my 38 gallon. Good luck with everything

not good to mix them, they have different care requirements. also, fiddlers are brackish water so that def. wouldn't work for the frogs or the crab. i have personally seent he habitat of fiddlers and it's very different from that of red eyeds. would you have a glass lid? if you are going to keep broms a glass lid is a good idea. for the frogs, they really dont need a bog type setup. they should have a waterdish but the whole bottom of the tank should not be all water. plus, the types of plants you are talking about arn't really for red-eyeds. they don't have bog plants where they live. do some reserch on the types of plants and animals you want before you buy anything. mixing frog species usually doesn't work and mixing frogs with non-frogs almost never works. not trying to deter you but you need to do way more reserch. all part of the process. if you have any more questions feel free to e-mail me at otis07_@hotmail.com
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FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
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Aussi
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0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
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0.0.4 D. tinctorius
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1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
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Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

i don't understand. i didn't want replys like this.
i just wanted to build a terrarium with the main
attraction be the plants and have a few "hardy" residents.

I knew reed or glass frogs are the exotics that perfer bog
setups. but those are out of the question till i have
more doe.

give me suggestions...

just cause you don't want replies like this it doesn't mean you are not going to get them. why don't you just make it like you had it before. have you thought about a background? if you want to have tons of plants then you should have some kind of background so they can grow on it and so you can have more room. it's really better to choose a groups of plants and THEN an animal or an animal THEN a group of plants. it doesn't suit the plants or the animals if you just pick a bunch of stuff that you just think it pretty and put it all in the same tank. so tell me either some plants you want, or ONE animal you want. you don't seem to know much about animals so you should go off mixing species. i have over 60 herps and i have yet to do that.
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

been doing some investigation...
found that reed frogs are cheaper than i thought to be.
i can continue to go with the bog theme which only covers
2/3 of the tank. i will go with sword plants and reed type
plants. i will also add some ivys above my waterfall.
i belive in the none mixing rule you frogs/amphibian guys
live by. i am a snake guy. some snakes can coop in same tank.

Well... I belive i can do wonders with this set up if i
provide proper vetilation and running water.
I plan on experimenting with two frogs, then moving to three
or four.

Thanks for the help!

-Western Hognose (male)
Western Coachwhip (baby)
Emori Ratsnake (baby)

reed frogs, well, they are cheap, but wild caught and sure to be infested with parasites. you will need to quarentine them for at least a few months and get fecals done, treat for a few more months and then get follow up fecals. i'de recommend getting the fecal work done by the frye brothers. you need to give me something other than bog, like some plants or animals that live in a bog set up. becuase reed frogs don't, they need a water dish, not a tank with the entire bottom water. if you really want a bog set up i would suggest getting a newt. they are hardier and much more forgiving of mistakes. but they need temps in the 60's, no higher than 75 for long periods of time.

with sword plants, you will need at least 6-9 inches of water, cause they grow tall. and with reed plants you will need a soil layer underwater so they can get nurtients b/c they grow in "sludge" in the wild. with ivy, this is just my experience, it looks really nice outside and you would think it would be hardy in a tank, but it's not. if you look at all the really pretty tanks there is no ivy in them, it doesn't grow well in tanks. creeping fig does though if you are looking for a fast growing creeper, it needs high humidity and a glass lid is better though.

so far you have this for plants:
swords- substrate=gravel, needs at least 6 inches of water, isn't a bog plant
ivy- isn't a bog plant, doesn't grow well in vivariums
reeds- get enormous, most get over 4 feet, grow in sludge
none of the things you have mentioned are "bad" but they don't mix well. i am just trying to save you money and time on buying the plants and getting them all set up, only to have them die shortly after.

ventilation- depending on what kind of plants and animals you have you don't really need lots of ventilation. for bog plants you need a screen top, but for the animals you want to put in your "bog" set up you really need more tropical plants, which do great with a glass lid.

people think plants need light and water, they are a little more complex and they all need different care. do your reserch before you get anything.
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RES
WTF
FBT
Russian Tortoise
Hingeback tortoise
Leos
Lawsons Dragon
Aussi
Ocelot Gecko
0.0.3 Vietnamese Mossy Treefrogs
Oregon Newt
Japanese FBN
American Bullfrog
0.0.4 D. tinctorius
D. auratus
D. leucomelas
1.1D. imitator
0.0.2 imitator intermedius
1.1.1D. lamasi
Grandis Day Gecko
Mali Uro
0.0.4 Hourglass Treefrogs
Hedgehog, bunnies, dog, fish, crawfish...

The crab will kill the frogs the day it gets them. Dont use a crab .
If you want and water is atleast an inch what about ghost shrimp . You could use cheap bamboo they sell it at home depot or any plant place.
They grow great in wet/damp bottom and dont need special light. Indirect window light is fine .