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Just wondering what the proper procedure would be for a bite from one of these 'non-lethal' venemous snakes...not that i ever plan on bein bit just horribally curious---thanks Judith

for those questions. Try the VENOMOID forum.

You know im really gettin tired of recieving a snotty responce every time i ask a damn question...you could give me a simple answer to the best of your ability or kindly direct me to the right people instead of attacking me...ive been breeding snakes for 8 of my 20 years just because i ask a question does not mean im un-educated---i thought if there was anyone to answer my question impartially it would be someone in this forum...guess i was wrong

>>You know im really gettin tired of recieving a snotty responce every time i ask a damn question...you could give me a simple answer to the best of your ability or kindly direct me to the right people instead of attacking me...ive been breeding snakes for 8 of my 20 years just because i ask a question does not mean im un-educated---i thought if there was anyone to answer my question impartially it would be someone in this forum...guess i was wrong

The issues of venomoids is a touchy one as many feel that removal of the venom glands is cruel, especially because it is often done by non-vets without proper anesthesia / procedures. I fall into that group.

That said, I think it's better to educate rather than berate. There is a venomoid forum where folks are more accepting of this sort of discussion. Personally, if I were bit by a venomoid, I'd head to a hospital. It's very possible to mess up the surgery, especially when it is done by non-professionals, and leave the snake capable of injecting venom. If you are going to have a problem, it's best to be at a hospital.

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ok thats a little better. i myself am not a supporter of the procedure infact i find it quite unethical...i had read an article pertaining to someone that had beeb bitten by a cobra or something that had its glands removed and the person didnt even go to the hospital!!! i was shocked to hear that...i figured id ask the question here because you guys have a better understanding of hots in general and not a one of you strikes me as a moron that would stay home and wait to see what if anything was gonna happen. thank you for your time and the quick responce--Judith

Yeah, I am not sorry for being short. I am an ass usually and if you are sensitive then we probably wouldn't get along. I have no problem with venomoids, just people that have difficulty spelling and following internet protocol.

Which follows with having a problem with someone like I just described owning a venomous or venomoid snake. They're basically the same, and I think that either one demands a keeper above the average.

Im sorry but I have to disagree Mike, just because you are not internet savvy doesn't mean you aren't smart. Shes 20, so yes we expect her to be really internet savvy, but if you didn't grow up with computers, then you just don't know. I help my boss and managers with our internet and computer stuff, im FAR younger then they are and not even as knowledgeable on some things as they are (I work for a vet tech.) That doesn't make me less then average or even them. She could be really herp smart and just not know computer stuff.

And really, spelling? Some people just don't care about spelling on forums, or are incredibly horrible spellers. I am married to the former, but he could probably trump everyone here on cars and machine knowledge.

OP, I hope your herp stuff clears and goes well =)
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I grew up with jeff Corwins tv show, my fondest childhood memories are not playing with other children, but sticking easter eggs down holes trying to catch a cobra!

"A rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing."
- Jessamyn West

No need to be an ass and vent your frustrations on someone trying to gather info. If you cannot answer in a civil or informative manner why answer at all?

>>...or kindly direct me to the right people instead of attacking me...

Um... Maybe Mike could have been a little more specific, but that's exactly what he did. If you go back to the "Venomous Reptiles" page where you posted the question and look on the right side, near the top you will find a link titled "Venomoid Snake Discussion" which would be the appropriate place for this question.

He also corrected your spelling in case that was why you were having trouble finding an answer. (You did do a search before posting the question right?)

Those were the only two things he said...
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

>>>>...or kindly direct me to the right people instead of attacking me...
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>>Um... Maybe Mike could have been a little more specific, but that's exactly what he did. If you go back to the "Venomous Reptiles" page where you posted the question and look on the right side, near the top you will find a link titled "Venomoid Snake Discussion" which would be the appropriate place for this question.
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Also had the person read the description of the Venomous forum it clearly tells people the following:

"Please note: all venomoid discussions need to be posted in the Venomoid Snake Discussion sub-forum. "
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>>Also had the person read the description of the Venomous forum it clearly tells people the following:
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>>"Please note: all venomoid discussions need to be posted in the Venomoid Snake Discussion sub-forum. "

True. However, I would say it is unrealistic to expect more than a small percentage of new people coming to the board to read everything at the top of each forum they go to, especially when part of the page is taken up by ads. I don't mean this as a criticism, I'm just saying it's not going to happen.

I can only think of 3 ways you could possibly have a significant impact on steering venomoid questions from new users to the right place.

1) Make the venomoid subforum a full forum and put it right BEFORE the venomous forum on the main board.
2) Pop up a message whenever someone tries to post on the venomous forum, reminding them that venomoid questions go somewhere else.
3) Search the text of new posts for the word "venomoid" and redirect.

#1 would probably start it's own flame war.
#2 would annoy everyone.
#3 would probably be a pain...and would not have worked in this case anyway (spelling).
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

you know i feel awful...almost as if i started a turf war of sorts...i simply wanted an unbiased opinion...i knew there was a category specifically for venemoids, but i wanted an opinion from people who were not supporters of the procedure...i have since contacted the people at venomoids and posed the question to them...they informed me that even if the procedure was performed correctly there is still a huge chance for infection and you should head to the hospital immeadiately for antibiotics and observation...again thanks for your responces--Judith

none there harmless ive been bit by a few venomoid cobras and it is worse to get bit by a boa or python ,the cobras only left 2 little holes (unless they chewed)compared to 30 depending on how good a boa gets you on the other hand vipers have big fangs never got bit by a venomoid viper im sure it wouldn't feel to good . not as bad as the hot eyelash i got bit by though lol..

Thank you for such a polite and 'to the point' answer. As im sure you can tell, i did not receive that from any of the previous respondents. I truly appreciate your professional attitude toward my question---Thank you---County

not a problem, to many people have nothing better to do with their time than jump on someone for a misspelled word, get a life right.. i have alot of expierence with venomoids and hots,if you need any ?'s answered ill do my best. oh yeah i did get bit by a venomoid viper, a copper head he got me through the bag with one fang and it hurt a bit and was a little sore if you touched right where the fang went in for a day or two but never any infection from any venomoid snake bite and i got bit by alot of venomoid cobras and like i said in other post they were no problem even when ther held on and chewed it wasent all that bad. any ?'s feel free
thanks...

about the venomoid snake still delivering venom in a bite,a couple of things first, i know a few "surgeons" that i trust, with elapids they do a full adonectomy which is removing the whole glands and ducts,with this there is no chance of the snake ever being able to produce venom again.. now with vipers some "surgeons" only do a ductectomy which is only removing a piece of the duct and cauderising(sure i spelled that wrong oh no) the two ends, leaving the glands in, they do this with vipers because removing the glands can cause the shrunken in head look. the duct CAN regenerate and usually its like one side and just a little bit, but just a little bit of some snakes venom is enough to kill you. now though most places take out the glands and ducts on vipers and elapids both and use surgical implants to keep the head looking right. sooo if you are buying a venomoid snake just ask if it has the glands and ducts removed or just the ducts. i would stay away from the ones with only the ducts removed and find one with with glands and ducts removed. because once a gland is removed it cannot grow back.

go to venomoids inc. they have the best

I would guess treat the bite for infection, since if the job was done right, there shouldn't be any venom.
Jeff Robbe
Four Lakes Snakes

County
I have been working with hots for about 20 yrs, properly. Before that I, like a lot of kids growing up in Kentucky, messed with em.

Now..Am a Police Command Officer and the Founder / Director of the S/E Michigan Reptile Rescue. We deal exclusively with Large / Aggressive / Venomous Reptiles. I do numerous seminars on captive care / husbandry of reptiles, and do direct training seminars for Animal Control Officers. Been on Animal Planet a few times as well.

I get flamed on these forums many times. I run into so many people, who think they know everything, that want to show you how superior they are to you.

If they can't burn you on the actual topic or meat there of they will hit you on spelling, grammar, or proper use of the forums. It really has the feel of an "Ol Boys Club" sometimes on the net.

So please be patient and explore as many sites as possible. Some, like me, are very busy with herping and work and don't have much time for being online.

Now as to your question...Have handle a few Venomoids. So let me go over a few points.

#1: Treat like they are still hot
Glands may be gone, but, how much do you know about the person who performed the removal

#2: Venom may be gone, but, the bacteria in the mouth can really do you some harm. A Mangrove snake is considered a harmless rear fanged snake. Yet there are people, who have had an alergic reaction to their venom, that have died. Same could hold true for the bateria in a Venomoid.

#3: As with any reptile seek medical attention if bitten.

#4: Even the best handlers in the world get bitten.
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2 A. Miss at 8'
5 A. Miss at 3'-5'
1 C. Nil at 9'
1 C. Croc at 6.5'
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6 A. Miss/C. Croc 2'-3'