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Here are two tokays that have hatched out from my projects. They are from a Male Calico to a Female Blue Headed Green. These have both hatched out to be blue headed greens obviously either het for calico or calico but i just cant see that bit yet. Quite excited really because as far as i am aware this is the first "double up" on these shores.

Hope you like

chaz - www.tokaymorphs.co.uk

Awesome looking little babies! Congrats
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thanks mate.

Cant wait fot the others to hatch out hopefully there will be some more dominant genes there too.

regards chaz

That seems odd.....

I have blue bodied green heads and they have not proven to be Co-Dom. They are simple recessive. I would love to see your adults...you may have hatched out something a bit different than Blue Bodied green heads....

I have made some weird stuff from parents and spent a great deal of time scratching my head and going??????

Kevin
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Or did I mean Blue Headed green body.......

They vary!!!

How about your calico may be a mutation under the Calico and you can not even tell what it is????

Then of course you may have gotten lucky and found a Co-Dom gene right off for that mutation...but in general it is NOT CO-DOM!!!

I have even bred blues together and hatched out "normal" looking animals...they may not be exactly the same thing so the Alleles don't match up.

At this point it is very difficult to say what is going on when there are so many different looking animals. Breeding wild caught Tokays can be tricky, they change so much as they settle in!

Kevin
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Hello Kevin.

I have done what was sold to me as powder blue to blue headed green, and produced a single baby which again is patternless. So i assumed that dad was just an exceptionally pretty blue headed green (having seen your site - finding them to be single recessive)- i will post pictures in a mo of the pogeny.

Then i thought a few months back all these morphs are so weird crazy i may as well start doubling up morphs and see if i get anything out.

So the male Calico went in the the two BHG girls. From two eggs from those copulations two blue headed greens have resulted. (plus i know the calico has been active as well because i have 2 calico x calico babies as well - at the moment looking frustratingly normal!)

Pairing one

Male Blue Headed Green x Female Blue Headed Green =

male

female

Baby from this breeding

Pairing two

Male Calico x Female Blue Headed Green

Male

Female

babies

hope this helps

oh and forgot to mention the two from the BHG x calico are beginning to get some faint gold speckling/hues up their dorsum. So Very weird for the time being i am just growing these two on.

Hmmmm

Possibly sperm retention.....

Plus that is not quite what my babies look like!!!

I do have a few mutations that seems Co-Dom......

I would expect your blue parents will make even more amazing looking babies than what you have already hatched.

I have a group where they are all blue and there is a male that is also blue but has a bit of green.... Basically they all look compatible, I breed them together and we make NORMALS!!!

I would like to see what those babies turn into!!!!

Calico to calico makes "normal" looking babies...but their dark resting color appears darker and more on the red side..

I have hatched them raised them and watched some change......and I do mean "some"!

Welcome to the wonderful world of figuring out Tokay genetics.....

SATAN

>>Hello Kevin.
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>>I have done what was sold to me as powder blue to blue headed green, and produced a single baby which again is patternless. So i assumed that dad was just an exceptionally pretty blue headed green (having seen your site - finding them to be single recessive)- i will post pictures in a mo of the pogeny.
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>>Then i thought a few months back all these morphs are so weird crazy i may as well start doubling up morphs and see if i get anything out.
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>>So the male Calico went in the the two BHG girls. From two eggs from those copulations two blue headed greens have resulted. (plus i know the calico has been active as well because i have 2 calico x calico babies as well - at the moment looking frustratingly normal!)
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>>Pairing one
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>>Male Blue Headed Green x Female Blue Headed Green =
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>>male
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>>female
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>>Baby from this breeding
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>>Pairing two
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>>Male Calico x Female Blue Headed Green
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>>Male
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>>Female
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>>babies
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>>hope this helps
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i suppose you may be right and as for tokay i know there are three incompatible lines of calico as there is with caramel albinos - i also think its too soon to rule out anything including dominant genetics, which is why i will hold these back, breed them to the opposite calico and then both our hunches can be confirmed.

>>i suppose you may be right and as for tokay i know there are three incompatible lines of calico

Huh?????

Calico it seems is not a inheritable gene like albino..... Not simple recessive or Co-DOM

more by chance or something...

There are NO calico babies EVER!!!!

There are Pieds as babies though!!!

THERE are some Co-Dom or Dom variations for sure!!

SATAN

as there is with caramel albinos - i also think its too soon to rule out anything including dominant genetics, which is why i will hold these back, breed them to the opposite calico and then both our hunches can be confirmed.
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yeah i have seen your pieds, very nice i unpacked them for you when they first arrived in london.

Plus i have to say kevin your tone seems at bit off?...........
not sure if theres a reason for it, maybe im imagining it.

You ask me a question i give you an answer, my answers are made by my own experience or the opinions of others who have dealt with far more tokay morphs in the uk.

chaz

There are some more combos coming out from the incubator in the next few weeks.

Blue Headed Green Male x Blue/Yellow/Green Granite

Blue Granite x Blue Headed Green Female

Blue headed green Male x Calico female
(the other way round to the ones your worried about) - and if your right they will come out normal as hets, or however the calico is inherited. And if you are ill post a full retraction.

P.S - funny you should mention the colour the calico x calico babies one is darker than the other, like noticably so i will watch that intently.

regards
chaz
www.tokaymorphs.co.uk

also you may be able to help me with this, a female not on the site yet, sold to me as a red spot axanthic. But its base colour is blue with red dots, looks more to me like a faded granitey type animal with red dots - she is obviously with the blue granite male at the mo

She is a Powder Blue Red SPot.......

VERY NICE!!!! Seems to be simple recessive!

Kevin

>>also you may be able to help me with this, a female not on the site yet, sold to me as a red spot axanthic. But its base colour is blue with red dots, looks more to me like a faded granitey type animal with red dots - she is obviously with the blue granite male at the mo
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>>There are some more combos coming out from the incubator in the next few weeks.
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>>Blue Headed Green Male x Blue/Yellow/Green Granite
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>>Blue Granite x Blue Headed Green Female
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>>Blue headed green Male x Calico female
>>(the other way round to the ones your worried about) - and if your right they will come out normal as hets, or however the calico is inherited. And if you are ill post a full retraction.
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>>P.S - funny you should mention the colour the calico x calico babies one is darker than the other, like noticably so i will watch that intently.

I seem to notice that.....they actually grow into very handsome animals!!

Let me know how you do with your hatchings......

Maybe you have golden luck, I seem to make lots of hets!!!!!

Kevin
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>>regards
>>chaz
>>www.tokaymorphs.co.uk
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the blue headed green male x calico have hatched today and they are normals. So its looks like you were right, that is unless she has retained sperm from the calico male earlier in the season.God knows.

I am going to have to hold some of these back to see. How prevalent has sperm retention been in previous breedings.

chaz

>>the blue headed green male x calico have hatched today and they are normals. So its looks like you were right, that is unless she has retained sperm from the calico male earlier in the season.God knows.
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>>I am going to have to hold some of these back to see. How prevalent has sperm retention been in previous breedings.
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>>chaz

As far as Sperm Retention...

I have no idea about how long it can be..... I generally set up pairs and such and leave them be. I have literally no idea...

Sometimes the first babies are just regarded to us as normals in case of such a thing.... can't tell if they are hets....

Remember, this is all quite new and I have have many mysteries staring me in the face.

When you take the eggs away what have you noticed your adults doing? Have you noticed any animals that have completely stopped laying?

Kevin
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Quite Simply this is a cross between green eyed geckos crossbreed with a normal wild morph tokay.Check out global gecko association website if you don`t beleive me.

Signed,Adam B.