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Here's a few arcifera/tapalpa/chapala fresh from brumation:

the old guy (12 years old this season)

an '05

an '09

an '03

and my 12 RBR male wanted to say hi (produced by Robert Seib)

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i work with tri-colored west mexican lampropeltis. some morph, some hobby, and some locale.

everyone is entitled to their options, but no one's opinion will ever change how i feel about the snakes i keep and breed.

Really like the old guy... one of these days I'm going to have to get some.

Gerry

Hi Brian,

What is the '05?

>>Hi Brian,
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>>What is the '05?

a hobby jalisco. possible tapalpa ruthveni influence. really clean, pattern-wise, like tapalpa but has a typical build like chapala arcifera. head shape is nearly identical to the old chapala guy, but is way too calm to be a chapala IMO.
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i work with tri-colored west mexican lampropeltis. some morph, some hobby, and some locale.

everyone is entitled to their options, but no one's opinion will ever change how i feel about the snakes i keep and breed.

Brian, I' love to see a full body shot of that guy if you have one.

>>Brian, I' love to see a full body shot of that guy if you have one.

here you go. i just uploaded some raw shots i took today.

www.sendspace.com/file/bq7bot

sorry for taking so long to get this taken care of. i've been in colorado the past week.
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westmextricolors.wix.com/west1

i work with tri-colored west mexican lampropeltis. some morph, some hobby, and some locale.

everyone is entitled to their options, but no one's opinion will ever change how i feel about the snakes i keep and breed.

Thanks Brian, I believe that snake was recently owned by Jeff Adams. He had 2 pair I believe that came from Shannon Brown. They all looked like Tapalpa ruthveni except for that one. I think he got them from Shannon at different times. It could be arcifera and there was some confusion because of the old names. I almost offered to buy it but the unknown kept me from doing it.

>>Thanks Brian, I believe that snake was recently owned by Jeff Adams. He had 2 pair I believe that came from Shannon Brown. They all looked like Tapalpa ruthveni except for that one. I think he got them from Shannon at different times. It could be arcifera and there was some confusion because of the old names. I almost offered to buy it but the unknown kept me from doing it.

yup, that's exactly who i got it from.

i'm 100% sure that whomever he originally purchased that pair from had tapalpa/chapala mixes.

the male's got the size and head shape of a chapala arcifera but his red has no black tipping and his underbelly is too clean to be a milk - it's more like a tapalpa ruthie.

the female has the right size and head shape like a mexican king, but her red is off too and her belly markings are more like a west mexican milk (not a good pic, she ate a rat last night).

either way, i purchased the pair for exactly that reason. there's been a ton of confusion with this subspecies over the years and i figured that at some point both types of "jalisco's" had to have been non-maliciously bred together.

since i already have a pair of tapalpas and a pair of chapalas i needed to track down a hobby pair of unintentional crosses to round out my collection. problem solved

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westmextricolors.wix.com/west1

i work with tri-colored west mexican lampropeltis. some morph, some hobby, and some locale.

everyone is entitled to their options, but no one's opinion will ever change how i feel about the snakes i keep and breed.

I didn't see them first hand just in a couple photos. I thought the female was straight ruthveni and the male straight L.t.arcifera but had no way to know for sure. I have an 18 month old male that is as clean as any ruthveni and no black tipping or cross-overs. He come from a pair I can trace the change of hands to Applegate that are at least 20yr old animals. See photo.

and the 'arcifera' confusion continues. haha.

nice looking hatchling too.
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westmextricolors.wix.com/west1

i work with tri-colored west mexican lampropeltis. some morph, some hobby, and some locale.

everyone is entitled to their options, but no one's opinion will ever change how i feel about the snakes i keep and breed.

Yeah, a big-time difference between the old-school line (ruthveni) and that later '03 real-deal Lake Chapala L.t.arcifera there. Both very nice in their own right and are and integral part of herpetocultural history and advancement..

cheers, ~Doug
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