Interesting how varanids are just like any other reptiles when its convenient for your argument but when its not "Hey come on we're talking varanids here, they are different." As far as data from sources other than private keepers I am aware of none that is not subject to a great deal of interpretation. This is precisely why I did not say they WERE social nor emotional nor communicate with each other. I simply gave one proven non-biased example in another reptile because hey you said it, "all reptiles are the same"... Before that experiment was done it was believed it could not be done in that species either. Are you so unbelievably arrogant as to believe you have it so figured out there is no possible way some behavior remotely similar to those torts exists in monitors and we have not discovered it yet?



Finally saying scientific data is agenda driven is idiotic. There is no agenda behind data and the scientific method does not discriminate there are only morons that do not ask the right questions of the data. Those "projections" were bull[bleep] by any academic standard or they would have been published in a scientific journal and not just used in political and media based arenas. The REAL problem is people like you who cannot see the difference. You know those people in that big building in that big city where all those important decisions are made you are just like them. You fault them for not asking the right questions and sorting through the information to find the truth beyond what some bureaucrat with a masters in environmental science says and yet you are just as guilty of that when you fault scientific data for what happened. You should not be yelling "That science is wrong!" you should be yelling "That's not science!"

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