>>>Could be! OTOH, I don't really think I'm dissing F and W so much as I am dissing John Q. Public.

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****It's counterproductive to "diss" anyone but the reality is that there will always be bad apples in almost any endevour we'd like to discuss but that doesn't mean we throw everything out because of them. I don't believe there will ever be a perfect solution for mankinds dismal attempts at "Fixing" Mother Nature and I certainly don't buy into the propaganda that the python ban is going to have an affect on the current and future populations of Burmese pythons in the Everglades. Of course, that's just my opinion.

>>>I agree with you. But ya gotta balance effectiveness with the reality of what is likely to be permitted given political realities.

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***The reality is this whole discussion was started by politician's and USFW propaganda that we need to clean up the Everglades and save our indigenous species. If we agree that is a problem, in my world, you identify the problem and come up with a solution...........I seriously doubt the python ban is that solution. We'll be spinning our wheels for nothing.........but that is becoming the standard accepted practice for all the reasons you mentioned above. It's the way we've allowed our government to operate but it still doesn't make it right. We need to demand more accountabilty from our government and the USFW and the FWC for that matter!!



>>>I don't think they particularly DO think it will effect the other species. I think the mindset may be something like: "Oh My God, look at all these other invasive species that it's too late to nip in the bud. Then look at these pythons that are just starting to be a problem. Maybe we can keep these pythons from becoming as big a problem as the other species already are. Let's go after them!"

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***Why are you so ready to accept so little from the people we've entrusted to supposedly protect what is a very fragile ecosystem?? The reality is adding pythons and boas to the Lacy Act won't stop burmese pythons from living and breeding in the Everglades and continueing their "march" to Washington. For that matter it won't stop Burmese pythons from being bred and sold in Florida for that matter and living in anyone's home that cares to have one as a pet. I don't think anyone associated with reptile breeding would argue that Burmese pythons don't belong in the Everglades and are more than willing to work with the government to come up with an actual solution............oh, actually we have.........the Florida ROC laws and the weather will pretty much go a long way towards that end but for some reason they expected that to work overnight. Either that or they all forgot they passed that law!!!


Hydrogen bomb?

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***Can't say that will be much help. I actually expected more from you but I guess you're still tired from your trip to Georgia........you weren't dropping of any Burmese pythons along the way by chance??



>>>I don't think we will ever eradicate all non-natives. But that doesn't mean we should do nothing. And I dunno whether a ban would have any substantial effect or not -- but I understand the impulses behind the proposal. Folks feel like they ought to be doing SOMETHING, and a ban is something simple and easily understandable that makes them feel like they're Doing Good for the environment. And in this world of soundbytes, simple sells.

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****I agree we will never eradicate all non-natives but I do expect the people that are currently in the news (Nelson, Meeks & Salazar at USFW) to come up with something better than the current BS and it shouldn't be about impulses! We should demand they approach this as a big picture and not the microcosm that is currently garnering all the publicity they want!! I believe, the current ROC laws will have the effect we're looking for and the Florida Fish and Wildlife needs to step up enforcement and give the law and the weather time to do their "thing! It's great for people to feel good but it's even greater when that feeling of good can come from actually accomplishing the goal unless the goal is actually BS propaganda and publicity. Then they've succeeded!
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Tom Burke
www.BurkeReptiles.com

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