You should take another look at that tort article or read my previous post again. One of the conditioning goals was achieved through training using tactile stimulation and NOT food.

"honest scientific opinion"
That statement right there is why this conversation will go nowhere and also why many of your past "conversations" on here were laughably pointless. The problem is you do not seem to think very scientifically or at least you do not argue scientifically and not do you present your ideas in a scientific manner. There is no such thing as a scientific opinion, the two are mutually exclusive.

Science states these animals go through a congregate/aggregate cycle and because this cycle repeats based on temporal patterning there must be an outside stimulus and/or an internal clock. Science would also state there are many possible driving influences which could lead to this type of patterning. Each of those possibilities should be initially considered and weighted equally because there is a lack of empirical data. As empirical data accumulates different possibilities should be re-weighted until a possibility can be completely discounted.

Individuals have opinions. Some of these individuals have training in science. It is my personal opinion there is more to what is going on than we are aware at the moment. The problem is you state with such certainty and defend so arduously points which are ultimately indefensible with what we know to be true, that its impossible for the discussion to move beyond where it is because you just keep circling back to malformed ideas and fallacious logic (not all of them). Reptiles are different, that is the only thing we can say with any kind of "certainty".

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