I think both of you have good points, The problem is TOO much information muddys the water. The terms Gregg is using, are not exact. You can apply them in various ways.

In this case, simplicity is important. Hognose use to be harmless and all was fine, no one died and such. And they have not changed.

What has changed is academics. That is, the advancement of information that is aside from, the day to day activities of these animals. This is something you sir have to be careful of as you gain your education.

Hognose were kept normally before without problem. Again, its like renaming species, great, fine, good on you, but it does not effect or change that species in nature, it does not change as its names change. They are what they use to be, no matter what we call them. In all reality, THEY ARE. we on the otherhand, like to fiddle fart and muck around.

The simple fact is, you can get a fat hand from a parakeet.

Where I agree with you is, folks aside from the actual keeping on these animals can and will use Some terms to advance their careers. That is, pass legislation. In their field, that is how they make a career. It doesn't matter if what they pass is useful, needed, or meaningful. On paper, its all the same. It doesn't matter if we call it, toxic or venom or swallow it and call it poison. They just want to pass legislation. And we suffer, more then an occasional fat hand.

Take the laws on Burmese pythons. They are still bred in captivity, still sold in petshops, Still taken across state borders. All it did was mess with a few individual people. Drove them underground.

Which by the way is unconstitutional. We are not suppose to make laws to criminalize individuals. That may be a poor example, but it IS an example. Best wishes

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