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I asked about sexing a King snake here and did not get much helpful info. "probe it" I assume in the anus, but with what? my finger? Is the snake supposed to moan or bite me if it's a female? What am I looking for?
I found a dead on a couple days ago on the highway, so I dissected it to see if I could tell the sex; There wasn't much that I could see but a white tear drop shaped thing about an inch long that had a couple little hard lumps on the narrow/forward end.
Somebody please give me a clue.

Google it, like everything else. Report back, besides, its gettimg past the breeding season. So you have lots of time to learn.

Ok, will try google again. It's not like all I do is snakes....I have about 15 hobbies that keep me up til 2-3 AM every night. I assume everyone here knows how to sex a snake, so why can't I get one good description? Is this one of those questions that everyone is tired of answering? How bout if I offered money....I have more of that than time. I am in north county San Diego. come on over and show me and I will pay for your gas and let you herp on my 25 acres.

I did a quick Goggle and came up with all manner of diagrams, and instructions and where to get probes, what sizes etc. Much better then can be explained here. You have a choice of many sets of instructions. Good luck,
Your best bet is to put the king back where you found it, so it can go back to its mate and do what you wanted, make more.
If you want another hobby and want to breed kings, then catch a pair of babiees and start there. An adult from nature is already set up to breed, all you can do is hinder it.
I forget what I goggled but something like how to probe snakes, or gender determination in snakes by probing, or some such thing.

"determing snake gender by probing"

I highly disagree with your suggestion that the snake will do a better job of propagating in the wild. there are predators out there, not to mention motor vehicles and other dangers. The best a snake can be expected to do in the wild is produce two offspring that make it to sexual maturity and a successful surviving pair of it's own. If they did any better than that, you would find the population rapidly increasing. That's just not gonna happen around here. Captive breeding provides a much higher chance of offspring making it to maturity. Releasing them at that point would give them a much better chance of survival. I have been involved in several captive breeding and habitat regeneration programs for a few animals that are "at risk" with some success. One sub species would certainly be extinct by now without the intervention.
I know this is a breeders forum and I understand that breeders generally do not want more breeders to compete with, thus are not likely to welcome or educate newcomers. if you don't have helpful information, just don't say anything and please don't insult me by trying to blow smoke up my butt.

Something here does not make sense. In your original inquiry, you ask about how to probe a snake to determine gender and then you make a goofy statement about sticking your finger up the snakes butt to see if it moans or some such tripe. Now you say you have been actively involved in several re-introduction programs, one of which saved a subspecies. Sounds like your just yanking chains a little. I guess this what happens when a forum is on life support.

This is awesome! The troll reeled you in. FR even warned about it and still fell victim..Keep it up because I can always use a good laugh.

to the forum.

In the old days of the monitor forum, there was a troll named Steeve(steve bain, I believe) He was wonderful, genius level trolling. We fought like cats and dogs, on the forum. But not in real life. He was super smart and knew his lizards, but did not have my experience. But, I respected him.
Then on the hog forum, I get another super troll. Only that one is a no name, and has nothing to offer, Steeve Bain did have lots to offer.
Then Here we have Steve111 and the hog troll. Hmmmmmmmm anyone starting to see a pattern?
Now the funny part is, the old steve bain, explained to me, that these forums are entertainment as well as helpful.
If it is the same Steve, I am happy to know that hes OK, as I was worried about him. He said he had some health issues.
Lastly, For you Steeve111. If the animal you caught was/is adult, then its already or was already established. Which means, its has survived and lived in a pattern of safe behavior. That is, until you disrupted it. Its an adult, which means, it knows other adults etc.
Your statement is silly. Simply put, there are millions upon millions of kingsnakes hatched every year,(in nature) hmmmm they are laying now. And in a few months, there will be millions of neonates. Despite, cars, birds and YOU.
One little bit of logic, my old friend Steeve Bain, was a genius with logic, IS, what If what you say is true, you know, cars and stuff, then that is the same for the rattlesnakes. So, Logically they are on the same playing field and because they are THERE, it works. So for you to think you can improve upon that, well that's that long word I have a hard time spelling, Lets say narcissism is the word. Lets say, you must think a lot of yourself to think you can do better then nature, and you know nothing about kingsnakes. I mean. we can tell what gender they are, from ten feet away. So yes, narcissism that's the ticket!

Yeah, he reeled me in. He must be a real smart fella; I must be real gullible. I do not give a rat's ass one way or the other.

Well apparently I have insulted some on this board...I do that a lot, but it is not intentional. I was becoming irritated with the responses I was receiving to what I thought was a simple question. When that happens, Most people just leave but I do not; I tend to get provocative. I did not type the right words into the search engine and did not find what I was looking for until I tried the words that were finally suggested here. When I answer questions on my forum (minivetc.com), I always try to be as helpful as possible; I consider the purpose of internet Forums as places to give and receive information on a particular subject. When they turn into clicks or cults they are no longer of any use to me.
Yes, I have been called a genius by those who know me but also an A-hole by those who do not. I am not a Troll by any definition I know, but an admirer of God's creation. I am an Entomologist by Hobby, but am no expert on snakes. I googled "Kingsnakes" to get here, asked a specific question, expecting an accurate and specific answer and got "probe it" which was/is absolutely no help for someone not familiar with snake breeding already. I am an inventor and innovator, I own and operate three businesses; one with an international reputation for manufacturing the best big-game Spear guns available, "Alexander Spear Guns", another, "Alexander Ramco Engine conversion Kits" on the minivtec.com forum., the best conversion kit of it's type. I am, admittedly, an old man, a dissident, scofflaw and a Social Misfit of sorts; take it or leave it. I am interested in the relevant facts not opinions on my project.

Sounds good. Maybe you can breathe some life into these forums. Facebook has just about killed them.

The answer you received was a good one. Probe it. As you now know, A simple search will reveal extensive information.
The point is not about that, its about your intentions. Your wrong. Its about that simple. The best thing you could have done is leave that kingsnake alone, If your goal was to control rattlesnakes. Besides the fact that cal kings are not really obligate Rattlesnake feeders. As you have seen or will see, they live together without problem.
No one cares if your a misfit, against the establishment etc. The next point is, releasing snakes into habitats where they already exist, is a really bad idea. Which is why they outlawed it. You do not want to learn why, you just want to say and do what you want to do. Which also has nothing to do with this forum.
Cal kings, are not endangered, or threatened, they are impacted by development. Where the habitat was destroyed. Where these is habitat, even in the middle of cities, they thrive. And without added numbers.
If you want to increase the population on our property, Take another approach. Increase habitat that benefits them. You know, like AC piles and don't destroy more of their micro-habitat.
About kingsnakes, another question you should have asked. They eat other snakes, including, other kingsnakes. So if there are kingsnakes still there, then all your going to is feed them the neonates you hatched. You can test this, hatch a clutch of kings, keep them in the same cage, if not straved, they will be fine, Then introduce a cal king from another clutch. It will be consumed right away. You see, there is a reason each local of kingsnakes is individual. They recognize each other as family units, not by species, that is a human concept. So lets talk about the reality of your project and what is important. Not spear guns. And there are no clicks, in fact, there is no body here. hahahahahahaha

FR, you seem to be a selective reader.... Since you seem to be literate I will reply. I have mentioned more than once that I have no intentions of turning young snakes loose on the property; I also stated that it would be counter productive. Any fool knows that something is more than nothing; Also, as I mentioned earlier, mortality rate in the wild is very low; a stable population number is the result of one animal reaching maturity, for every one that dies off. That is simple math. in captivity, successful breeders far outstrip that ratio, as evidenced by their expanding livestock numbers. So, when one species that eats another, increases in numbers, it is likely that the other species will decline, even if it is not the "prime" prey. Finally, the snake is still in the same place that I found him, but now it is protected from predators and is being fed the exact same animals that it was eating before, lizards, gophers, mice, rats and rattlesnakes, which I catch in the same habitat. the only thing it could be lacking that it may have had before is access to a mate, which is what I came here to resolve.
You have the right to be skeptical; nearly everyone is, whenever something new or different is attempted, but you have no basis for declaring me wrong, especially when I never asked for your opinion. You are just being rude and serving no helpful purpose here. I expect that your ego will not allow you to back off, but at this point I see no advantage in my continuing to post in this thread, so fire away.

Correction; Mortality rate in the wild is very High, not low, as I mis-stated.

Hmmmmmmm again with a false hypothesis. In reality, some years, mortality rates are high, to the point of zero recruitment, other years very high, plus 80%.
General statements, like you said, do not apply when your talking specifics.
Besides, your pattern of logic and conversation is very familiar to me, why is that Steeve?

In this post, you talk about ego, I am pretty such, its your ego that your talking about. As you do not know me.
About your hypothesis, hmmmmmmmm its academic. As your extending one hypothesis and building more based on the previous one. con
I stated facts, and I will repeat. Where there are call kings in Helleri habitat, I San Diego that is most likely what your talking about, It could be Ruber, or specs. Where they occur together, there are both. Only in some select habitat types, that are highly riparian, do kings occur without Crotes.
That they do, means they get along, and your proposal will not change that. They always have, so its a good guess, it will continue.
About my selective reading, I apologize, I am under the impression your a troll, and that's fine. If your not, then get down to some real facts, and show something, show the king, show the habitat, show the crotes. As it is, anyone can say anything. So until you come up with something real, good luck with your imagination. And keep having fun.
So good luck with this "conservation project"

See FR. Resurection of the dead does happen.
BTW, where the heck is DMomg?
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FR quote:
"Doing the same things over and over expecting to learn something else, is the definition of insanity"

For starters just ignore FR, he has a nasty habit of, well, being FR. It only gets worse from here.

View this link and see if it looks familiar to what you saw.

http://figshare.com/articles/_Macroscopic_view_of_the_hemipenis_of_Crotalus_durissus_terrificus_partially_everted_/731985
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Thanks, That was helpful, but I did eventually find a few sites that compared male/female Genitalia including pictures and diagrams. My dissection was a failure, as at the time, I mistakenly thought all the Genitalia was located upstream of the vent....I never thought to look aft; that portion was ignored during my examination. Had I been informed where to look, earlier in my postings, I would have quickly discovered what I needed to know. It turns out that I already have the perfect tools for probing the vent; They are my Foundry Pattern-making wax fillet tools, which look identical to the ball-end probes I saw on line. I have attempted to pick-up and hold my snake, but he squirms a lot, trying to get away and bites my fingers. I think I will need help holding him/her for the examination, but no one I know is volunteering so far. I could use a recommendation on the correct probe diameter for a 34" king Snake....the sites I found were pretty vague on that.