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RE: Eggs After Brumation

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Posted by: FR at Mon Mar 24 09:37:25 2014  [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by FR ]  
   

Great Dan, I thank you for that. Lets get down to business.
We are all allowed to have an opinion. What would be great is, Instead of saying, your wrong, how about asking why I said what I said. You see, stating your WRONG, is not about your opinion, or discussion, its adversarial and arguementative. Which is very common here, so forgive me.
Your right in there is no way to know what actually happened, the right or wrong part. Not enough information. But your example is full of assumptions as well. As I mentioned, learning basic or what should be basic husbandry skills would eliminate guessing. In this case, learning to palpate. I say basic, and now days, sonograms(ultrasound) is a little more advanced and requires equipment.
There was no information other then it laid eggs after a stated brumation. Which "does mean", it was not brumating. It is a huge misconception that "brumation" stops biological processes, particularly at the temps mentioned. As mentioned, studies both in captivity and in nature, indicate that with snakes, the reproductive process requires low temps, such as mentioned. As mentioned, voluntary physical movement has been observed in snakes and hogs, at much lower temps. I tend to use the road crossing example to show that a snake crossing the road at lower temps cannot be hibernating.
For all intent and purposes, the only help we could be would be in the future, if that keeper was interested in understanding what went on, then he could 1. control it, if that is not wanted. 2. utilize it, you know, included a male and received viable eggs. 3. simply prevent it.
I would question your example but again, you do not have information to support your theory. If you do please offer it for consideration. Thanks and have a great day.


   

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