Dang, I was wondering why it took you so long. If we were face to face. I would use a blackboard and draw this for you. As it seens you have problems reading.

Gregg and I, made a list of times and posted pics of clutches. In that list of times your results fell in what we considered good. You posted a picture of they eggs as laid, they were not scattered around. So no matter what you did, or method you used, you received good results. If your happy, I and I am sure, Gregg is happy. And it does not matter what method you used. I don't care if you used a tea cup and urine water. It worked.

That you whine when you have good results, that's something between you and your therapist. That you think folks are picking on you is again, between you two.

My/our information is for folks that have problematic nesting, Those that have seen scattered eggs and received egg binding. NOT THE HECK YOU.

You whine because you did not see eggs laid nicely in one day after the shed. I can help you, but all you want is whine. While the results you posted are good, no need to fix. The nesting material is foreign to hognose. I am sure, it does everything its suppose to do. But hogs, seek and live in areas of very particular soils, its mentioned in all herp field books. They do that because its what they recognize. If you gave them something they could easily recognize, it may improve your times to the top level. It also could be as Gregg mentioned, a learning curve for you females. My bet is, if you use the same material with the same female, she will take to it faster. You see, we are working with animals, that LEARN and adapt. It could also be temps as well. You did not mention that. But then, all you do is whine and forget to talk about whats important. So if you would stop all your whining, you this and that. And talk about the stuff, all would be good and fun.

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